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Wednesday, 19 June 2013

The Bread and Butter of Life

"Carbon Sense"  by Viv Forbes

Common sense on carbon, food, energy and climate. 
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The Global Warming Gas,
The Bread and Butter of Life?

18 June 2013.

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We are told, incessantly, that carbon dioxide is the main cause of global warming – it is not.

The primary source of surface heat is radiant energy from the sun. Minor heat comes from geothermal energy from volcanoes and hot rocks. Trivial quantities of local heat are brought to Earth’s surface by humans using stoves, cars, boilers, engines and factories powered by mined fuels such as coal, oil, gas and uranium. Even using “green” energy such as ethanol, wind or wood has a tiny temperature effect by transferring solar energy from farms and forests, to be released eventually as waste heat in cities.

Solar energy is more concentrated in equatorial areas and is moved pole-wards by the circulation of air (99.9% nitrogen, oxygen and argon), and by water and water vapour via evaporation, condensation and ocean currents. These processes are all driven by conduction, convection, latent heat and Earth’s rotation, not carbon dioxide. They are the major forces creating weather. Variations in solar cycles and cloud cover control longer term climate change.

Carbon dioxide plays almost no part in any of these dominant weather processes. Moreover, it does not burn, nor is it radioactive – it cannot produce heat.

The so called greenhouse gases (mainly water vapour and carbon dioxide) have the ability to absorb radiant energy and transmit it to their surroundings. These gases tend to retain some surface heat but also assist the Earth to shed heat from the upper troposphere by radiating energy to space. Without this ability to shed heat to space, the upper atmosphere would be considerably hotter.

However, carbon dioxide occurs in tiny trace amounts in the atmosphere, and any surface heating it could do is already being done by water vapour, which is more abundant and affects far more energy wavelengths. Also, the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide is almost exhausted after the first hundred parts per million – adding more has very little effect on Earth’s surface temperature.

The net atmospheric effect of additional carbon dioxide is thus very minor and difficult to quantify.  It probably makes the nights slightly warmer, especially in higher latitudes during winter; and it probably has little effect on daytime temperatures.

But additional carbon dioxide in the biosphere gives a major boost to all plants which feed all animals. It is not a pollutant, anywhere.

Carbon dioxide is not the gas of global warming – it is the bread and butter of life.

More reading for those interested:

Carbon dioxide greens the deserts:

Spinning Carbon Scare Stories out of
Nature’s Tornados

Already the climatists are spinning a carbon scare story out of the Oklahoma tornado. US Senator Barbara Boxer said in a speech on global warming, just one day after the Moore tornado: “You’re going to have tornadoes and all the rest.  . . . Carbon could cost us the planet.”

There is nothing unusual about tornadoes in Tornado Alley on the Prairies, hurricanes in the Caribbean, or cyclones down Cyclone Alley in the Coral Sea – all have been creating extreme weather events long before Europeans arrived in these areas and long before the surge of industrial growth in the 1950’s.

Despite the intensity of the news reports, the severity of US tornadoes is not increasing – there have been many US tornadoes with greater severity and more fatalities than the Moore tornado. One in 1935 resulted in 695 deaths in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana.  What is increasing is the population density in the threatened areas and the demand by some media outlets for a man-made climate scare every week.

USA and Australia will continue to suffer intense tornadoes, hurricanes and cyclones but carbon dioxide is blameless.

Instead of wasting billions on the mega-myth that man controls the climate, both countries should spend that money on building infrastructure that better withstands natural disasters.

Successful species are those that learned to cope with natural disasters.

Europe’s Green Hell
“The European Union’s utopian scheme of transforming itself into a green energy powerhouse is faltering as its fantasy plan is colliding with reality. As the EU’s economic and financial crisis deepens and unemployment continues to rise, what used to be an almost all-embracing green consensus is beginning to disintegrate. The green ideology of limits to growth has turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Ecological rejection of traditional industries, the obstruction of new technologies together with an almost all-embracing hostility to every form of conventional (let alone unconventional) energy generation is gradually shifting the centre of economic growth and innovation away from an ageing and depressed Europe.”

Sunset for Solar Subsidies

In the days of Queen Victoria they said, truthfully “the sun never sets on the British Empire”.

But it does set on Australia, every single day. Even the green power engineers in Parliament must have noticed that the sun also sets on all those solar panels that their mandates and subsidies have plastered onto Australian roofs.

Solar energy is most intense on the equator but weakens towards the poles. It disappears when the sun sets or cloud obscures the sun. For just six hours or so per day during summer, in a clear tropical desert area, solar energy is reasonably reliable and collectible, although always very dilute. But at times of peak demand, about 6.30pm in winter, solar panels contribute nothing to electricity supply.

Billions have been spent on researching ways to store massive amounts of solar energy needed to cover the eighteen hours per day of low or zero solar supply.

Many things will work in the lab, even a big bank of car batteries. But once real engineers take over from green dreamers and academics, most of their fanciful energy storage schemes become horrendously expensive or impractical. (A linked hydro scheme would work, but no one would be allowed to build it in case it disturbed a green frog.)

But nature has provided us with the answer and some decade soon an academic will re-discover that the solar energy of yesteryear is stored in concentrated form in prodigious quantities as COAL.

So abundant, reliable and cheap is this stored sunshine, that even green Europe is rediscovering it. Seventeen coal-fired power stations are being built or modernised in Germany, the solar panel capital of the world. China, the world’s biggest exporter of solar panels, is building 363 coal-fired plants for itself.

Green energy policies have destroyed the reliability and economics of power in Europe for zero benefits for the climate or the environment.  Every country that forces consumers to use and subsidise renewable energy is suffering soaring electricity prices, increased risks of grid instability and blackouts, and widespread loss of real industry and real jobs. Australia should have learned from Europe’s solar subsidy stupidity. Subsidised solar panels may be good for harvesting votes, but they are not sensible for generating grid power. Only proper power stations will keep the lights on 24/7.

Those who wish to use solar panels should be free to do so providing they accept all the costs and benefits of their decision. We must end all subsidies, tax breaks, price subsidies and guaranteed markets for solar power.

“Any politician who bleats about high electricity prices needs to look no further than the stupid energy policies that are causing most of them. We do not have an energy crisis – we have an energy policy crisis.”

For those wanting to see more evidence of the failure of solar power:

Solar Power Realities:

De-industrialising Europe:

Belgium mulls solar panel tax:

Greece plans levy for rooftop solar panels:

Spain planning to cut solar subsidies?

The Great Green U-Turn in the EU:

Germany turns to Coal:

Europe goes for Coal:

The Madness of British Energy policies:

The Green Kiss of Death

In Britain, Conservatives agreed to form a Coalition with the minority green party in order to gain government. The Green-Conservative Coalition is now very unpopular.

In Australia, the ALP agreed to form a Coalition with the minority green party in order to gain government. The Green-ALP Coalition is now very unpopular.

Is there a pattern here?

         China publishes the NIPPC, the independent report that challenges in an authoritive way, almost everything that the Warmists are promoting. See:         Russia derails UN Climate Summit in Bonn. See:         Climate Sceptics outweigh Warmists in public opinion in Australia.
45% of Australians think environmental dangers are exaggerated.
David  Uren “The Australian” 10 June 2013
         And, “Do the Maths” McKibbin, fails to check first what maths to do. See:·          And, the Great Green Edifice is Crumbling. See:          Finally, 73 climate models fail:

Authorised by:
Viv Forbes
Rosevale    Qld    Australia

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    This is a link that everybody should read (including the Govt Circus performers).

    It shows photographs of scores of "temperature monitoring stations" that do not conform with the required standards for positioning of such apparatus.
    Most are closer to heat sources than allowed under the monitoring standards so of course they are going to record higher than normal temperatures. There is no mention by the Global warming proponents that temperatures in the US are lower than normal in the winter, only that the bodgie temperature monitors show an artificially high temp in summer.
    This article proves that the "Global warming Proponents are very careless with the truth and the positioning of the stations in the article could be quite deliberate to get a result that they want, not a result that reflects the truth.
    Where are the same sort of monitoring systems placed in Australia?

    I well remember the afternoon that I was watching TV and there was a programme that showed how the melting ice scenes in Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" were lifted directly from the computer generated melting ice scenes in the Sci Fi movie, The Day After Tomorrow.

    They showed the scenes from both movies, side by side and they were the same scenes.
    If Gore lies about things such as that, the whole "inconvenient truth" is probably a computer generated image designed to deceive.

    1. Peter,

      We toured Anthony Watts around Australia in 2010 and he showed all those flawed sites

      Anthony Watts tour report

      Incidently, I have often shown AL Gore's deceptive use of the calving ices scenes on the NCTCS blog eg at the end of this post:
      AGW, Hollywood and Frankenstein

      And you know that the British High Court ruled it to contain at least nine errors?

      “The judge found there were nine serious scientific errors in the film." He said the court ordered that the film was "not suitable to be shown in British schools without a health warning. Mr Justice Burton said an Inconvenient Truth wasn't fit to be shown in British schools without suitably corrected guidance which drew attention to the errors in the film and its political partisanship." (LINK)



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