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Thursday, 23 June 2011

Lord Monckton, Ross Garnault and that Swastika.

Today there will be a barrage in the Main Stream Media (MSM) against Lord Monckton who said, whilst displaying a Swastika, that Professor Garnault had a fascist point of view.


Wait for the feigned cries of "shock," "horror" and "How could he!" from all of the left-leaning press.


However, did we hear a lament from the MSM over the exploding pig that used to be on Your ABC's children's pages?

Did we hear even a peep from the press when the Alarmists released a video in which children who expressed anti-warmist views were blown up?


What did the MSM say about these climate Alarmists?


Jill Singer:" I'm prepared to keep an open mind and propose another stunt for climate sceptics - put your strong views to the test by exposing yourselves to high concentrations of either carbon dioxide or some other colourless, odourless gas - say, carbon monoxide." 

Reminiscent of the Nazi death chambers.


Richard Glover said: "Surely it's time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies." 

Just like the Jews were tattoo-ed by Hitler.

Even Elizabeth Farrelly used repugnant imagery re Climate Sceptics: "They are the cane toads of contemporary culture: ugly, ubiquitous, toxic to most other life forms and adept at using their peculiar behaviour to force change in ours."



Again,  when these offensive remarks were published, there was no response from the MSM. 

Incidently, when the Climategate e-mails such as the travesty re the lack of warminghide the temperature decline etc etc were leaked, the MSM again were found wanting by non-publication of the frauding of the science.


So, was Lord Monckton wrong?  He definitely attracted attention to the Climate Realist point of view. How accurate were his remarks? Garnaut IS acting in a ‘fascist’ manner in that he is expecting everyone to accept authority without question. 
Czech Physicist Lubos Motl says:

I think that Lord Monckton’s description is pretty much valid. The discussion about Mr Garnaut’s personal plans is legitimate because he is just way too important in Australia....
Garnaut’s report wasn’t considered an assault on democracy just by Lord Monckton but even by completely mainstream political leader of Australia, Tony Abbott, see:
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/06/garnaut-report-an-assault-on-democracy/
Lord Monckton asked the question whether Garnault’s words and actions may be understood as fascism and he has decided that the answer is Yes. And I understand where Lord Monckton is coming from. Now, I also know that the alarmists would love to link the skeptics to many bad things, including the Nazis, but there’s still a difference. What Lord Monckton says is supported by some facts and tight analogies – actual plans how to reorganize the (Australian) society; what the alarmists are saying is not supported by anything.

Iinstitute of Private Enterprise Founder Des Moore Writes:

In an almost perfect inversion of normal usage, Garnaut trashes anybody who objects to a big, new tax as a sectional interest, whereas, in perfect socialist European terminology, those in favour of a giant new tax are supporting "the national interest". In his deeply flawed report, Garnaut gives almost perfect Australian expression to the European sensibility. Garnaut's description of the international environment is wilfully misleading and flatly contradicted by the much more impressive Productivity Commission report.

There is also something profoundly offensive to democratic practice in the way the Gillard government has shovelled out vast amounts of public money to long-term friends of the Labor Party, such as Garnaut and Tim Flannery, so that, with a wholly spurious and confected institutional credibility, they can declare: government good, opposition bad.
Christopher Monckton has apologised. The apology will be printed in the Sun-Herald on Sunday.
“Let me begin with an unreserved apology. In a recent lecture, I should not have described the opinions of Professor Ross Garnaut, the Australian Government’s climate economist, as “fascist”. I apologize humbly. Will there be similar apologies from those who have called us “climate deniers” or “denialists”, or who say we should be tattooed with our opinions, or imprisoned, or barred from Australia, or tried for “high crimes against humanity”?” 

Was Christopher Monckton over the top? Perhaps. Was he justified in his statements? Certainly. 

Better yet, why not judge for yourself. Lord Monckton will be speaking around Australia soon. For tour dates and tickets see HERE

Also Published on Menzies House

12 comments:

  1. I am incredulous that you are defending Monckton's statements (which you are). Even your best friend Andrew Bolt has said:

    "he’s gone too far in this deeply personal attack and an apology is in order. Without one, it will be unwise for other sceptics to associate themselves with him on his Australian tour."

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/surrendering_the_moral_high_ground/

    YOU might say that he has apologised to the Sydney Morning Herald, but where is the link? Can't find that anywhere.

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  2. G'day Mouse, Did you see an apology from James Hansen, From Michael Mann, from The Herald Columnists Glover, Singer and Mann. Monckton has apologised. They have not!

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  3. sorry Geoff - seriously, please give me a link to the apology.

    I cannot find it.

    But also please answer my question: with "friends" like Anthony Watts and Andrew Bolt slamming what Monckton has said, why is the climatesceptics party supporting? It's not me who has made his comments a media story - it's the media. Why? Because what he has said is outrageous.

    Doesn't look like it's just the "left leaning" Australian media either - unless you call Newscorp, The Telegraph and the Herald Sun "left leaning".

    Where is the media supporting him? Would love to see those links.

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  4. The apology will appear in the Sydney Sun-Herald on Sunday.

    Again, where are the apologies for the outrageous statements by the others?

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  5. Link to the apology....
    http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/06/lord-monckton-unreservedly-apologies-to-prof-garnaut.html

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  6. How about this: over on Australian Climate Madness http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/

    "The last thing we should be doing is abandoning our standards of conduct towards those with whom we disagree. Let the alarmists call us names and try to silence us, but at the same time, we must try our very best to maintain dignity and rise above the petty schoolyard bullying of the alarmist camp. As Anthony Watts correctly states, this doesn't help."

    looks like your friends are leaving you in droves.

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  7. Anonymous; do you have an opinion about any of the oppressive examples of censorship that the alarmists have used, their despicable use of children, their manipulation of facts and misrepresentation?

    Lord Monckton has apologised; when do we get an apology from you and your mates like Clive Hamilton:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/11/16/hamilton-denying-the-coming-climate-holocaust/

    Until you apologise you are a hypocrite.

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  8. A number of quotes are applicable to this debate but I choose the following: "I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I do not agree with the promoters of the global warming claim. They don't have the right to demand that I mustfollow suit.Isn't this supposed to be a "democratic country" where everyone is entitled to have an independent view? No government should be entitled to force me to conform to the scientific view of certain promoted scientists. Are we heading for a fascistic regime?

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  9. When is an "unreserved" apology "unreserved"? I would have thought that would be when it has no caveats around it.

    from where I'm sitting, Monckton has apologised "unreservedly" but then goes on to reserve his apology by pointing the finger at everybody else.

    Shame he hasn't quite grasped the english language yet.

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  10. And then again, mouse, perhaps you should do an English refresher course.

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  11. Why is it that Lord Monckton should have apologised, just because someone was being precious. In the Urban Dictionary
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eco-fascist a eco-fascist is defined as:

    A person who uses the unsubstantiated beliefs and sentiments of environmentalism to impose their political will onto the scientifically illiterate public to inflate their megalomanic sense of power. Usually at the public's detriment.

    Eco fascists are the de facto crusaders of what has become the religion of the American political left; that is environmentalism.

    They use the guise of dogooderism and the pretense of being some kind of environmental savior to justify their economically destructive actions much the same way Hitler did to justify his actions.

    Nancy Pelosi is acting as an eco-fascist by voting down congressional efforts to allocate water resources to California farmers who have historically been given access to these resources in favor of the delta smelt (a fish) that had been put on the "threatened" species list; thus favoring the fish over humankinds need to grow food.

    Al Gore is one of the most notable and dogmatic eco-fascists for preaching his prophecy of "Truth" for his own self-agrandizement and his obvious agenda of demonizing the oil barons that defeated his political aspirations to the US Presidency, which he clearly felt entitled to.

    Lord Monckton has said nothing more than what is the truth. He has chosen the language of today to communicate and called a few people what they actually are in many peoples views. There are no apologies to be made, well except by Tony Abbott at this stage, there are no reason for him to word things differently, it is Garnaut and the Government's so called Climate scientists that should be apologising, to all Australians.

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  12. The Swastika, is commonly referred to as a symbol for Nazi Germany and Fascists, however the swastika symbol is more than 3,000 years old. The term "Swastika" was originally the name for a hooked cross in Sanskrit, and swastikas have been found on artifacts, such as coins and pottery, from the ancient city of Troy.

    Swastikas are not only associated with ancient Troy, the symbols are found in many other cultures, such as Chinese, Japanese, Indian and southern European. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well-known symbol and had many different names, depending on the country. In some cultures, like ancient China, the symbol is turned counter clockwise

    Throughout its history, the swastika represented life, sun, power, strength and good luck. In the early 20th century, it was still considered a positive symbol. During World War I, it was found on shoulder patches of members of the American 45th Division and the Finnish air force.

    It was only after the Nazi period, and their choice to use this symbol that people chose to read a sinister meaning into this, and symbolise
    Nazi fascism with this.

    It is a shame that a symbol that has had such a positive image over the centuries, and is still a powerful Hindu symbol of Prosperity, was hijacked by a despot and we chose to look at it ever since as only a image of this Nazi party.

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