All Scientists are Sceptics ~Professor Bob Carter

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A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
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A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
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Tuesday, 15 February 2011

True Unbelievers

An article in Saturday's Good Weekend Magazine by John van Tiggelen (See Update.). He examines both sides of the science of inter alia Evolution, Vaccination and Human Induced global Warming. In the latter he turns a blind eye to the evidence.

There is, in Science, a sharp line between scepticism and denial. Scepticism is useful; it's what makes science tick. A scientist never assumes anything, she sorts fact from theory by setting up hypotheses and testing them.Denial is something else. Whereas a sceptic may doubt the theory, a denialist throws out the evidence.
He goes on to say, referring to man-made global warming,
"....the evidence that humans are warming the planet is in."

Hello! Mr van Tiggelen. First you say "by setting up hypotheses and testing them.." and then go on "the evidence is in." 

IPCC has been shot to pieces
 Let's look at these in reverse order.

The evidence is in...Well, is the evidence in? The IPCC was set up more than 20 years ago with one sole purpose, to blame CO2 for runaway global warming. They have admitted, in a letter,  that they cannot. 20 years of international funds, billions of dollars spent on this InterGOVERNMENTAL - (ie political body not a scientific) - body, - and a not proven result.

So what about Mr van Tiggelen's other phrase: ""by setting up hypotheses and testing them.." 
Well, The hypothesis is that human-caused carbon dioxide emissions are causing dangerous global warming.  The hypothesis was falsified years ago by Professor RM Carter. (Here) Also falsified by ex-NASA physicist Ferenc Miskolczi.

Mr van Tiggelen then goes to introduce diversions, such as tobacco, rather than looking at the Climate Realists' science. And infers senility. Shame on you. Look at the science. Look at the denials of the IPCC Climate Cabal CRU.


UPDATE:

We must thank Mr John van Tiggelen who has generously contributed to our Lord Monckton tour fund. And, thank you John, a RECORD AMOUNT! As you said with your deposit, because we are worth it. Thanks you, Sir!


26 comments:

  1. PART 1

    Hi Geoff, more nonsense from the CACC disciples. I’ve been exchanging opinions for four years now and it’s like talking to a brick wall. I think that I have more chance of converting my Jehovah’s Witness callers to atheism.

    I see that you and John Mikkelsen have both had several exchanges with someone hiding behind the false name “cooloola”. On the Agmates thread (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/forget-the-virtual-nbn-super?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A189624) “John Mikkelsen said: Hi Geoff, yep Cooloola just outed himself on Unleashed after a bit of a prod. John Byant. .. ”.

    I also see that you have been having exchanges with Ross Brisbane recently, e.g. on the Just Grounds Community “Floods in the West .. ” thread (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/floods-in-the-west-floods-in?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A182423).

    I was recently banned from the “Watching the Deniers” blog (http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/pete-ridely-banned/#comment-3165) as a result of someone impersonating me and insulting the blog owner, Mike. I had been exchanging opinions with supporters of the CACC doctrine, including the same Ross Brisbane and one John Byatt (possibly someone else). After being banned I contacted Mike suggesting that he check out the source of the insulting comment that was supposed to have come from me and I’m awaiting his response. In the meantime I have been exchanging messages with Ross on Facebook and the more I hear from him the more I suspect that he has no understanding of the basic physics and Chemistry needed to make sense of the scientific arguments offered by both sides of this debate.

    Ross claims to have studied at the University of Southern Queensland but I can find no evidence of this of anything that he has contributed to science or engineering. In the process of checking this up I came across your exchanges with him and find that you have a similar reaction to what Ross says (and how he says them). Do you have any idea if Ross has any qualifications relevant to “climate science”?

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  2. PART 2

    Putting that to one side for the moment, a more interesting thing that I came across was your exchanges involving John Byatt on the same thread back in December (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/floods-in-the-west-floods-in?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A180451), because I have been doing a bit of background checking on people in Australia named John Byatt and found some very interesting “co-incidences”. For example, there is one John Byatt who has his own construction company in Camperdown, just south of Sydney. The John Byatt that I had exchanges with “Grew up south of Sydney near “the royal national park”, which is only 30k from Camperdown and lives “in a similar area now but up north, next to the Great sandy national park”.

    Back in 2009/2010 I was involved in exchanges on Senator Steve Fielding’s blog and there were two very nasty cowards who supported the CACC doctrine with whatever ammunition they could find, including very nasty insults and tricks. One of them used several different false names, such as “Guess Who”, “Pheonix”, and even “Lord Monckton” “PeggyB”, “Colin” and “Pete Ridley”, (I know those last four very well and recognised that something wasn’t quite what it appeared to be. “Guess Who” had a “partner-in-crime” who hid behind the false name “Cooloola”. Now cooloola was probably the nastiest piece of work that I have encountered during my four years of blogging about CACC. I used to think that Canadian Ian Forrestern another staunch supporter of the CACC doctrine, had a vile tongue but he is quite civil compared with that particular “cooloola”.

    After checking up on Ross and John I was reminded of those earlier exchanges with “Guess Who” and “cooloola”. “Guess Who” never gave much away about himself but the impression that we had was some involvement with politics. “cooloola” gave out a lot of information about herself and I wonder if you or any of your associates have any detailed knowledge of the Gympie/Cooloola/Snapper Creek area? I’d love to identify them both but “cooloola” is the important one.

    When I came across the following comment on Tim Lambert’s “Andrew Bolt can get fooled again” thread ( http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/01/andrew_bolt_can_get_fooled_aga.php) “Time to stand up and be counted, time to start using our real names on blog comments I have managed to get over fifty replies printed answering "septic" letters to the Editor in two regional newspapers, could no longer see the point in remaining incognito, Posted by: john byatt | January 24, 2011 3:17 AM” I wondered if this John Byatt could be related to the “cooloola” from Senator Fielding’s blog, then I came across those comments by you two. Too many coincidences for a sceptic like me.


    If either of you or anyone else can help I can pass on what I have about “cooloola”, but in summary, she mentioned living next to Snapper Creek, having boats, likes fishing, hates the yuppy influx and the proposed Marina, worked with Peter Byrne many years ago. She mentioned no husband but several daughters, a 6’2” son who used to be “a no1 benchman” (and a “bit of a bugger in his youth”) now having his own construction company.

    Any help on this that you or John can give me would be appreciated.

    Best regards, Pete Ridley

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  3. G'day Pete,

    No, have only had the vague reference from Ross Brisbane that he has Uni Quals. From his use of English, it would look like he failed play lunch at Kindergarten

    Byatt is real although I prefer to (dyslectically) call him Batty.
    He lives in Sanctuary Cove Cooloola Bay.

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  4. UNless there are two people using the "cooloola" tag, as I said above in response to Part 1 -
    I Believe "cooloola" and Byatt to be one and the same - the phone book entry is:

    Byatt J M

    (07) 5488 0836
    11 Sanctuary Way Cooloola Cove QLD 4580

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  5. Hi Geoff and Pete, I think I just mis-spelt the name as Byant - on the ABC Unleashed thread http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/43692.html he named himself as "john byatt cooloola" not John Byant. I had forgotten him on agmates but I'd say he's a mate of the former administrator and his coven based around Gympie. Nasty comments which got thru the ABC moderators while many comments from Geoff and other contacts were censored. The discussion there looks like comments are still open but nothing had been added since about Saturday when another troll, Pedro 2000 waded thru with some long rambling comments which were passed. As I've said elsewhere it does raise questions.

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  6. Thanks Mikko, I liked your tag - what was it coolfoolie or something?

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  7. Cooloolafoola :)

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  8. Not perchance related to Joolya Foolya?

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  9. PART 1

    Hi John & Geoff, thanks for responding to my comment and for offering a bit of help about Ross Brisbane and John Byatt.

    On Senator Fielding’s blog there were three cowards who hid behind a false names and worked as a team when posting their support for the CACC doctrine. One was “Cooloola”, another “Phoenix”/”Guess Who”/”etc.etc.etc..” and a third “digitaladvisor”/“concernedcitizen”. Until yesterday I though that it was possible that John Byatt might be that “cooloola” and Ross Brisbane be “Pheonix” but I’ve changed my mind since reading the exchanges involving yourselves.

    I repeatedly suggested to “DigitA” that he start preparing his comments in Word and use the spell/grammar checker. He acknowledged that he was dislexic and had at one time had a nervous breakdown after his marriage failed. One of his favourite scares was those claimed climate “tipping points” that are favoured buy the CACC disciples and followers.

    Once I’d recognised the same kind of spelling and grammar in Ross’s comments I did a search for “tipping point” and “Ross Brisbane” and found (my capitals):
    - “ .. America I predict will experience the worst heat waves this coming Summer in their history. The Arctic ice will be a rapid melt back and the TIPPING POINT for this region may strike within 5 to 10 years. I know I write simply but behind all this is a reading of copious material, data and studies on climate at the empirical and historical levels .. ” (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/01/australia-braces-for-cyclone-yasi-as-it-hits-categotry-5/).
    - “ .. Runaway C02 induced climate cannot be proven until the evidence of tipping are firmly established .. ” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=35#comments)
    - “ .. Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 4:08pm: Hello Geoff, 1: Does man-made emissions of CO2 cause runaway global warming (and where is the proof?) - Should be reworded as we HAVE NOT passed any runaway tipping point as HARD CORE evidence as yet .. ”.

    I used to remark on the rambling rants that “DigitA” offered on Fielding’s blog and at one stage he pretended to be his female partner, but the spelling/grammar/rambling gave the game away. Ross Brisbane repeatedly does the same (e.g. see Ross Brisbane on October 25, 2010 at 11:40am @ http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=34#comments.
    Here is a prime example “Ross Brisbane on October 25, 2010 at 1:44pm: So where do we go with this? Simply the LIA could HAPPEN again but no where the extent of the past due to the increased C02 factored in as the greenhouse effect right now. Now C02 does not cause a green effect by itself as it is only the start of the amplification climate chain much like dust amplified and overlaid in a combined low sun caused the LIA. We now have the reverse and any logical application of the physics of C02 as the first cause in free amtospheric concentrations which mankind brought into the mix is also classed as abberant cause and effect on climate. The lag in the pipeline is the real worry Geoff” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=35#comments). His comments at 2:15pm and 7:16pm are no different.

    Alan Mikkelsen followed up with “Hi Ross, .. Why not put direct quotes, as distinct from your own comments, either within quotation marks, in italics using the good editing tools above, or both?” I had made a similar comment about “DigitA” when warning him about giving the appearance of plagiarising the work of others because he did not make it clear what were his own words and what he was quoting.

    “DigitA” claimed to have been a specialist in data processing (as does Ross) and claimed to have returned to work about a year ago after recovering from his breakdown.

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  10. PART 2

    “DigitA” was very religious and so, it seems, is “Ross Brisbane on October 25, 2010 at 6:33pm .. Ultimately only God knows the total mechanisms of climate change as He created the system in which we live. If God says in the prophets mouth: "Behold the earth lies polluted under its inhabitants " then I believe it.” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=38#comments – see also Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 11:17am).

    Then there was “Phoenix”, who gave the impression of being on a computer all day and having specialist knowledge of the Internet and its workings. The impression that I had that he was from the Gympie area, then “John Mikkelsen said... Hi Geoff and Pete .. "john byatt cooloola" .. I'd say he's a mate of the former administrator and his coven based around Gympie. .. it does raise questions. February 15, 2011 5:38 PM”.

    I find it hard to believe that so many similarities can be mere coincidence, but then, it is possible that Ross, John and his administrator friend have nothing to do with the three afore-mentioned cowards. After all, I’m just an aged conspiracy theorist who believes that scientists are only human and therefore have the same failings as we all have, such as concern for our careers and a desire to appear superior. I am also unduly suspicious of the UN’s motives in thinking that there are other agenda having nothing to do with taking over Natures job of controlling global climates. I must have developed undue bias as a result of over-exposure to dishonesty from a tiny minority of politically motivated and power hungry individuals. Fancy coming to the conclusion that the UN and its supporters could simply be after:
    - enhancing the finances of a privileged few,
    - redistributing wealth from developed to underdeveloped economies,
    - establishment of a framework for global government.

    What a silly attitude when the majority of us (especially the youngsters) know that we can trust our politicians (especially if they are left wing and “greenies”) to do what is best for the people that they represent. Maybe it’s just senility setting in!

    Phew, that was much more of a rant than I intended when I started out – but I warn you, I shall return.

    Best regards, Pete Ridley


    BTW, Geoff, have you ever used the false name “HaveQuestions”? I ask because, in reply to “Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 2:00pm: .. Geoff my dear sir I would ask you to stop coming across as a bit nasty type .. ” you said “ .. Just answer 3 questions, please:
    1: Does man-made emissions of CO2 cause runaway global warming (and where is the proof?)
    2: Would a warmer Earth be bad for the planet's flora and fauna (including humans?)
    3: Are humans capable of controlling the temperature of the Earth? ..”.

    Those are the same questions that one “Havequestions” kept asking “DigitA”/”ConcernedCitizen” on Senator Fielding’s blog!

    In response to your questions Ross said “ .. 1: Does man-made emissions of CO2 cause runaway global warming (and where is the proof?) Should be reworded as we HAVE NOT passed any runaway tipping point as HARD CORE evidence as yet .. ”. Note those “tipping points” again. The more I read of Ross’s comments the more I see an image of “DigitA/ConcernedCitizen”.

    Pete.

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  11. No, Pete, I have generally used my own name. I tried once to use a nom de plume when I could not get my comments posted in ABC's Drum Unleashed. John Mikko has written a piece and they weren't publishing my comments. I think that all blog comments should be real names out in the open, or else you could get:

    Me (as Wallace) CO2 is dangerous pollutant
    Me (as Grommit) I agree. It's killing the planet.
    Me (as CoolFool) It's been proven over and over etc etc

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  12. Another look at the cost of averting warming is provided by a letter in the Australian today. (via Australian Climate Madness- http://tiny.cc/tkdh3

    The first is how many degrees of warming will be averted by a cut in Australian CO2 emissions of, say, 20 per cent by 2020. Second, what extra costs, including all flow-through costs, will be imposed on an average family by the taxation strategy that is aimed at producing such a cut. Available estimates indicate that the answers to these questions are: (i) less than one one-thousandth of a degree Celsius by 2020; and (ii) more than $2000 per family of four per year.

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  13. Sorry, I should have added that the above letter was written by Prof Bob Carter.

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  14. PART 1

    Geoff, your comment on 16th @ 6:10 AM about Wallace, Grommit and Coolfool is spot on. That is precisely what happened to me durng exchanges with what we used to call on Senator Fielding’s thread “the three stoogies”

    Isn’t it funny how things go round in circles/cycles, just like climate change – bear with me and you should see what I’m talking about by the end.

    Have you guys come across “the Slayers”? They are a collection of about 32 sceptics who last Autumn published a book “Slaying the Sky Dragon” (http://www.slayingtheskydragon.com/latest-news/104-professor-claes-johnson-dissects-the-failed-greenhouse-gas-theory – you may find the comments interesting). Their “publicist” and leader, John O’Sullivan, believes it will cause the CACC rubbish to hit the fan (I’m still waiting for the promised mess but will not hold my breath) and they are preparing another for publication in the spring.

    They have a vision of leading the world’s scientists to a future where honesty and integrity overrule all personal concerns. They are trying to raise funds to get the crusaders into battle behind the Principia Scientific International banner (http://funds.gofundme.com/1v39s - again, you may find the comments of interest). I was invited to join the crusade back in December but as soon as the “begging bowl” came out I did what I called my “PSI Due Diligence” research and decided against any financial involvement. Of course, I wish them every success in fighting the CACC nonsense and will support them in that as much as I can. (That’s as long as I don’t have to hand over any money to help set up their private company – I was in that position back in 1975 and vowed “never again” – once bitten, twice shy).

    “The Slayers” have claimed to have proven that the “greenhouse effect” does not exist, offering an analysis by their mathematician Claes Johnson to Professor Judith Curry for review. An open blog review has been going on for a couple of weeks at her “Slaying a greenhouse dragon” thread (http://judithcurry.com/2011/01/31/slaying-a-greenhouse-dragon/). Roger Taguchi (a friend I introduced to “the Slayers” in an attempt to bring relevant expertise to the group) has been analysing the “greenhouse effect” on a parallel thread “ (http://judithcurry.com/2010/11/30/physics-of-the-atmospheric-greenhouse-effect/#comment-38919). Roger rejects Claes’s arguments with QUOTE: Claes Johnson's "theory" either uses "temperature" in a totally different way than the rest of physics, or invokes physical assumptions long-since discarded (e.g. the Rayleigh-Jeans failure in the "ultraviolet catastrophe" to explain the shape of the black body curve) .. we can ignore Johnson's theory as maybe OK as a math exercise, but .. doesn't correspond to reality as measured in physics .. UNQUOTE”.

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  15. PART 2

    Roger shows that the “greenhouse effect” exists but is far smaller than the IPCC claims, so I offered it to “the Slayers” on their blog (http://www.slayingtheskydragon.com/latest-news/104-professor-claes-johnson-dissects-the-failed-greenhouse-gas-theory). One of “the Slayers”, Jo Olson, apparently having forgotten that he had exchanged E-mails with Roger several weeks ago, E-mailed me yesterday asking for “any CV info on him” so I decided to check up on when I had first come across Roger. My search took me to my 17th August 2009 comment posted on the agmates’s "Beef & Dairy Herds Gone in 2 Years" thread by Steve Truman (http://www.agmates.com/herald/australian-government-climate-adviser-wants-beef-dairy-herds-gone-in-2-years/).

    At that time I had been exchanging “pleasantries” with ecologist Barry Brook, Professor of Climate Change at Adelaide U on his “bravenewclimate” blog and tried to get him to review a paper by John Nicol which also showed that the “greenhouse effect” was far less that the IPCC claimed. Brook simply banned me from his blog for what he called “trolling” when I asked him to explain his comment about global climate processes and drivers and the associated uncertainty. I then challenged Greenpeace UK to refute what John and Roger had shown in their papers, with the expected cop-out response of “ .. you're already convinced that the hundreds of emminent scientists who comprise the IPPC are a bunch of fools and charlatans .. ” (http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/climate/perspectives-geoengineering-20090902).

    I came across a SupremeMaster TV interview that Brook had given, in which he was suggesting that the Australian livestock industry was responsible for a significant contribution to global warming as a result of their digestive emissions. My comment on agmates was a repeat of a similar comment that I had posted on Senator Fielding’s blog. Did any of you watch that video? – it’s a beauty (http://www.suprememastertv.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=featured&wr_id=176). What Brook didn’t mention was that termites could well be emitting more methane than cows, etc. I should mention that although Brook has the title of Professor of Climate Change (perhaps even Director now) I have found no evidence of any significant research by him into the subject of global climate processes and drivers. His area of expertise appears to be species extinction. It seemed to me from the video that he was encouraging the extinction of the Australian livestock industry, or at least a significant cull of its population – watch oput, it’ll be humans next for the chop.

    Here I am, almost a year and a half later, back again involved with contributors to agmates – but can you tell me what is the relationship between agmates and Just Grounds Community?

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  16. PART 3

    At the same time as I was pushing John and Roger’s analyses I was also trying to exchange meaningful comments with dislexic computer, theology and climate change “expert” “DigitalAdvisor/ConcernedCitizen” on Senator Fielding’s blog and here we see another cycle occurring.

    Yesterday I did some more reading of Ross Brisbane’s comments at Agmates and mentioned these in my latest Facebook message to him QUOTE:

    Ross, I’ve been reading lots of your comments .. at Agmates and your exchanges with Geoff Brown (e.g. http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/floods-in-the-west-floods-in?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A180873). It is quite clear that you are determined to reject out-of-hand any sceptical opinion about the relationship between our use of fossil fuels and climate change (local, regional or global), regardless of what the science says. That renders pointless any attempt to debate anything, even the science, because that does require a minimum level of competence in physics and chemistry and you clearly do not have it.

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 5:22pm: .. The discoveries of c02 and its radiative attraction .. The greenhouse effect of C02 .. is simply a provable law of physics. .. Stand in the mid day Australian Summer at noon sun for an hour and tell me you will not see the results of the suns radiation on your skin. Refute the statement that I am wrong. .. Add a small extra quantity of C02 ppm to the atmosphere and understand the consequence. The laws of how gases react with sunlight in differing way is irrefutable. .. ” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=42#comments.

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 27, 2010 at 2:34pm .. the factoring of C02 greenhouse gas effect took over the drivers steering wheel and now it remains as solid evidence that C02 and the extra lower atmospheric stored energy of the suns lower activity is due to C02 attracting the radiative effect more and more effectively. The heat is both infra-red and in other spectrum .. This is the C02 greenhouse gas effect. C02 - it takes three atoms to sequester the radiative capturing factor. Its like for every c02 ppm rise we add extra floating invisible solar panels into atmosphere capturing more energy .. ” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=45#comments).

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 28, 2010 at 1:13pm .. I would be classed as a Climate Specialist due to my extensive background in software engineering and statistics ..”.

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  17. PART 4

    It is clear from these that you haven’t a clue about the physics or chemistry that you need to understand to talk sensibly about “climate science” and simply parrot what you think that you heard or read ..

    .. “Denise Scanlan on October 26, 2010 at 9:18pm .. You are such a know all but in fact you know nothing. Don't consider correcting me on this as you are totally wrong”.

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 7:15pm .. I do have mild dyslexia - you'll have to forgive my poor grammar”. Well, so did “DigitA/ConcernedCitizen” on Fielding’s blog and you are no stranger to his blog, are you? “ .. john byatt on December 9, 2010 at 12:43pm .. and never a denier ross, sceptic only in the past, thanks to reading all Ross's links at Steve Fielding forum .. ” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/back-to-basics-what-are-the?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A174471).

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 27, 2010 at 12:23pm .. Further to my background: I have been a Systems/Analyst specialising in SQL data mining and programming for some 25 years.” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=45#comments) and so was DigitA/ConcernedCitizen.

    In summary, you talk a load of nonsense, just like DigitA/ConcernedCitizen.

    It all fits nicely together, doesn’t it – Ross Brisbane, John Byatt, the ABC moderator in Gympie. Come on Ross, own up.

    UNQUOTE.

    Ross seems to have stopped responding to my Facebook messages now. Perhaps he finds that the truth hurts – although that would be surprising for someone who claims to be very religious. Maybe he is just looking for inspitation from elsewhere.

    So, I’m happy that I have now found out who “DigitA/ConcernedCitizen” is. That leaves “cooloola” (probably found that one as well, or at least getting very close) and “Phoenix/Guess Who/etc/etc/etc/”– from Gympie? with ABC? a moderator? ? ? ?

    You’ve been a great help so far – please keep it coming, in particular about cooloola’s relatives and that “moderator”. After all, who would have a better understanding of how to impersonate someone?

    Best regards, Pete Ridley

    PS:

    If you don’t mind I’d like to merge my next comment on this with your “The Changing data at NASA-GISS” thread.

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  18. PART 4

    It is clear from these that you haven’t a clue about the physics or chemistry that you need to understand to talk sensibly about “climate science” and simply parrot what you think that you heard or read ..

    .. “Denise Scanlan on October 26, 2010 at 9:18pm .. You are such a know all but in fact you know nothing. Don't consider correcting me on this as you are totally wrong”.

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 26, 2010 at 7:15pm .. I do have mild dyslexia - you'll have to forgive my poor grammar”. Well, so did “DigitA/ConcernedCitizen” on Fielding’s blog and you are no stranger to his blog, are you? “ .. john byatt on December 9, 2010 at 12:43pm .. and never a denier ross, sceptic only in the past, thanks to reading all Ross's links at Steve Fielding forum .. ” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/back-to-basics-what-are-the?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A174471).

    .. “Ross Brisbane on October 27, 2010 at 12:23pm .. Further to my background: I have been a Systems/Analyst specialising in SQL data mining and programming for some 25 years.” (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/a-handy-hyper-heatwave-and-yet?xg_source=activity&id=3535428%3ATopic%3A124180&page=45#comments) and so was DigitA/ConcernedCitizen.

    In summary, you talk a load of nonsense, just like DigitA/ConcernedCitizen.

    It all fits nicely together, doesn’t it – Ross Brisbane, John Byatt, the ABC moderator in Gympie. Come on Ross, own up.

    UNQUOTE.

    Ross seems to have stopped responding to my Facebook messages now. Perhaps he finds that the truth hurts – although that would be surprising for someone who claims to be very religious. Maybe he is just looking for inspitation from elsewhere.

    So, I’m happy that I have now found out who “DigitA/ConcernedCitizen” is. That leaves “cooloola” (probably found that one as well, or at least getting very close) and “Phoenix/Guess Who/etc/etc/etc/”– from Gympie? with ABC? a moderator? ? ? ?

    You’ve been a great help so far – please keep it coming, in particular about cooloola’s relatives and that “moderator”. After all, who would have a better understanding of how to impersonate someone?

    Best regards, Pete Ridley

    PS:

    If you don’t mind I’d like to merge my next comment on this with your “The Changing data at NASA-GISS” thread.

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  19. Hi Pete, I didn't make the leap that any of the Gympie climate change coven are ABC moderators, just that the moderator(s) seem sympathetic to their views and allow ad hom attacks at variance to their own commenting guidelines. But who knows? All I said was it raises questions about the standard of moderation.
    Re agmates - the former owner and founder had a big dummy spit over an issue following his arbitrary decision to make it a closed site just around the time of the federal election. To read comments you had to sign up. He was roundly criticised by many members and his moderators, resulting in a big dummy spit when he handed the site over to new administrator Rob Moore with the subsequent name change to Just Grounds. (Coincidentally when other names were suggested they suddenly became taken after being discussed on the site).

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  20. PART 1

    Hi John, if you have any further information on “the Gympie climate change coven” then I’d appreciate it. I am satisfied now that Ross Brisbane did indeed use the false names DigitalAdvisor/ConcernedCitizen when debating on Senator Fielding’s “climate change” thread. I have today unearthed more information about Ross that confirmed what DigitA said about his personal life. Ross and I exchange 9 messages on Facebook between 6th and 13th Feb. and on 15th I sent one mentioning your names and asked “Have you ever used the false names "DigitalAdviser" or "ConcernedCitizen" or do you know someone who uses the false name "Phoenix" or "Guess Who" or another who uses "cooloola"? - just wondering”. I followed this up with the evidence that I had unearthed and invited him to “Come on Ross, own up”. On 16th all of his messages to me had disappeared from Facebook and he hasn’t been back in touch since.

    I now also know who Ross’s “partner in crime” cooloola is so it remains to identify the last of “the three stoogies” who were involved on Fielding’s blog – he/she of numerous false names, including Spatch,/Pheonix/ Guess-Who’ Lord-Monckton/etc.etc.etc. DigitA was the nutty one, cooloola was the vilest and Spatch was the sneaky one with the computer skills. I think that system administrator capabilities Gympie and the Phoenix pub may be the keys to solving this. If I keep on fishing I’ll catch him/her. I know that John B has “ .. a few boats power, sail and paddle but mostly use the canoe if just fishing within the southern end of the great sandy straights .. ” so maybe I’ll offer him some bait.

    As you may have gathered, I get slightly irritated by individuals who don’t have the courage of their convictions but hide behind a false name (or several) and refuse to debate the CACC issue rationally. As we discussed on the Climate Sceptics “True Unbelievers” thread http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2011/02/true-unbelievers.html#comment-form, we have all had exchanges with a CACC supporter who has in the past hidden behind the false name “cooloola”. On the Agmates thread (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/forget-the-virtual-nbn-super?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A189624) you said “ .. Cooloola just outed himself .. John Byant. .. ”. Geoff Brown as had exchanges with Ross Brisbane recently, e.g. on the Just Grounds Community “Floods in the West .. ” thread (http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/floods-in-the-west-floods-in?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A182423), so you both no what they are like in debate but I don’t think that you have experienced their nasty side. That was reserved for when they were in hiding.

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  21. PART 2

    Until recently I had been exchanging comments on the “Watching the Deniers” blog (http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/pete-ridely-banned/#comment-3165) run by “ .. Mike, a 40 year old living in Melbourne. I work as an information manager for a large professional services firm .. This blog is my small contribution to trying to address the issue of climate change. And no, I’m not a scientist.”.

    Mike, a disciple of the CACC doctrine, is very tolerant w.r.t. allowing comments on his blog, even from “deniers”, but I was recently banned because, according to Mike QUOTE: .. Pete Ridley compared me to a pedophile: “…You’re like a pedophile priest up on the dais calling everyone else an evil sinner. You are worse than any denier because you are a phony. You consume the same fossil fuels as the deniers and are addicted to all the fossil fuel toys. How can you live with being such a hypocrite?”
    He then stalked one my readers .. Calling me a child abuser is where I draw the line UNQUOTE.

    If I had indeed sent that comment (which Mike never posted on the blog) I would have deserved more than just banning. I had not sent it so I immediately E-mailed him and suggested that he check the gravatars alongside the comments because I was sure that he’d find that they would be different. It is fortunate that his blog does associate unique gravatars with each contributor, so he could easily check this out. Although he initially replied to my E-mails he has not responded on that point and now claims that he is too busy on his “day-job” to investigate. That may well be so, but where someone has their identity stolen in this manner in order to create a false impression of them and cause trouble I would expect extra effort to be made to resolve it.

    Of course, friends Ross Brisbane and John Byatt were there sticking knives in, so I decided to do some research on the pair. The reason was that I (and others) had been impersonated on a blog in Feb. last year, at a time when we were exchanging those comments on Senator Steve Fielding’s “climate change” threads. These impersonations were on Chris Colose’s blog (http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/richard-alley-at-agu-2009-the-biggest-control-knob/) and so much stupidity was going on that Chris decided to close what had been a very good thread involving that other “hockey stick delusion”, CO2 reconstructions from air “trapped” in ice. An associate pointed to the evidence that proved these impersonations were being done – the new gravatars that were appearing alongside the impersonations.

    When Senator Fielding’s “climate chnge” threads were closed I moved elsewhere, including the blog of another CACC disciple (but again no scientist) Jo Abbess. Once again an impersonator appeared, stirring up trouble, this time using the false name Stormboy and once again I was banned. (The original Stormboy and I have been exchanging private E-mails for months now and although he is a staunch supporter of CACC as well as being very religious we don’t debate those issues, recognising that we won’t convert each other. We simply chat about personal matters and he confirmed that he had not sent the comment to Jo Abbess’s blog.)

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  22. PART 3

    On the WatchingtheDeniers blog I had been exchanging opinions with John Byatt and another CACC follower hiding behind the false name “andydharma”. I managed to find out that he is one Andrew Durling, from the UK, and outed him on WatchingtheDeniers. I did not recall having come across either before but there seemed to be something familiar about John Byatt’s comment style so I Googled and found “John Byatt — 10 Dec 2010 @ 5:10 AM .. There is a raving lunatic by the name of pete ridley, google him ,active 24 hours a day spreading disinformation , denies any link to the alliance but has quoted them on blogs and is a habitual lier , as some here may confirm .. ”. (http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=5676). I found other comments too which all took me back to the Senator Fielding exchanges.

    After being banned from the WatchingtheDeniers blog I tracked John down to Cooloola Cove and recognised the connection with the Cooloola on Senator Fielding’s blog. I also managed to find Ross on Facebook and exchanged messages with him The more I heard from him the more I suspected that he has no understanding of the basic physics and chemistry needed to make sense of the scientific arguments offered by both sides of this debate. It was also clear that he had something of a problem with English. Both of these characteristics again reminded me of the exchanges on Senator Fielding’s blog with one “DigitalAdvisor/ConcernedCitizen”.

    Now I need to get in touch with John Wyatt to ask him about those comments from “Cooloola” on Senator Fielding’s blog. If anyone here can put me into contact with him then I’d appreciate it, because I have a lot to points that I’d like to discuss with him. Maybe I can share what I know of him here and encourage him to get in touch. John, on the ClimateSceptics blog you suggested a more appropriate false name of “cooloolafoola” (http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2011/02/true-unbelievers.html#comment-form) but On Senator Fielding’s “Is global warming man-made? Is global warming dangerous?” thread I started using the totally appropriate “cool-liar”.

    Best regards, Pete Ridley

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  23. Pete,

    Don't forget that Cooloola indicated being actively involved/engaged with the Australian Greens & manned a polling booth on the last elections last year for them.

    Admrich

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  24. john byatt says:
    Pete,

    The Cooloolafoola is attacking you on fake er...sorry realclimate. He and the coward Snappa:

    22 Feb 2011 at 5:52 AM

    # 523

    check the comments of the Ferret on this blog they even printed up my name address and phone number for him,

    a very strange person indeed ,

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2011/02/true-unbelievers.html

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  25. Everybody knows that the alarmists first tried to scare us with “Global Warming”. But the climate would not co-operate and earth started to cool. So they changed the scare headline to “Climate Change”. And it certainly appears that "The IPCC was set up more than 20 years ago with one sole purpose, to blame CO2 for runaway global warming" during the administrations of Reagan, Thatcher, Chirac, Kohl, de Mita, and Bob Hawke.
    When did the International Panel on Climate Change change its name from the International Panel on Global Warming, or the International Panel on Demonizing CO2, or whatever its original name was?

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  26. Well said, Brian. However it's not the International PCC but the InterGOVERNMENTAL PCC. It's a Governmental ie Political body.

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